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Tricking Asmodeus

so evil in D&D is a little bit

complicated but you can roughly think of

evil as meaning self-interest to the

degree of I will injure others to get

what I want mm-hmm and so when you say

what is most evil in D&D it really comes

down to personal preference pick your

poison

right right cuz you can say let’s take

Asmodeus on one hand and say Orcas on

the other who’s more evil right well if

you’re the type of person who’s like

look I want dependability well at least

if you make a contract with Asmodeus he

has to honor it

that’s work where a kiss can just do

whatever he wants he’s chaotic evil he’s

the ultimate solipsistic evil is just me

me me me me me me now someone else might

argue look chaotic evil is predictable

more predictable than law you can go

back to the entire like Chronicles of

amber thing of law and chaos and while

we call call law one thing and cast

another really they act very differently

there’s this conceit in the book you

have the court of law of the court of

chaos and they’re fighting and one of

the people from the side of chaos tells

one of the guys from the side of laws

like look at them of the day you call us

chaos but law is all about trying to

betray each other you guys always trying

to screw each other over and find

loopholes where chaos we all know world

you can do whatever we want so we know

not to trust each other

so who’s actually less predictable more

chaos since in some ways it’s like she

can’t is more predictable because you

know they’re gonna do something random

so you can get ready for that right so

when you talk about evil when you break

it down by law and chaos you could say

well you can pick your poison do you

think if you can think if you think you

can outsmart Asmodeus he’s a pussycat

he’s easy to deal with because you can

use his laws against him and control him

if you don’t think you can or you just

think I am I’m powerful I can take on

all comers then you might want to toss

the deal with orcas because orcas will

just respect strength the end of the day

orcas thinks that orcas is the only

actual you know sentient entity in the

cosmos everything else is just stuff he

gets to play with but if you can

overpower him he might not actually

still he might just still think you’re

not actually fully sentient only I am I

am the center of the universe but you

could kill me and I don’t want to

because I’d die that ends the universe

because I am the center of the universe

so we depends on the path you want to

take right right but I would say this if

we wanted to think about evil in terms

of broad destructive potential

what could like what would pose the

biggest threat to the universe when

we’re talking about the Risdon there is

dim this sort of mysterious entity first

encountered in the world of gray Hawk is

in fourth edition who’s called the

chained God he first showed up in first

edition as this bizarre entity who was

so dangerous that his priesthood was

hunted down and annihilated that the

worship of his entity was so baleful to

pull off good first edition where they

you know whoa would wield the good

old-fashioned atnd words because

essentially threes didn’t sought maybe

just to annihilate all of reality though

again that might be something where

that’s just what we think we know the

idea of an entity that just wants to

annihilate everything that seems kind of

short-sighted why would something want

to just destroy the universe presumably

including itself but if you were to say

in terms of what is like the most

dangerous entity if you’re to give the

celestial driving wheel steering wheel

to any entity if you go to Asmodeus you

end up with this pretty brutally

repressive order you look at hell and it

just extends everywhere right doesn’t

sound like a lot of fun but at least you

could argue like well you know at least

like everyone has its place in the order

yeah it’s not a great a lot of thing but

if you give it to Orcus well

everything’s undead and now you’re all

as thralls so I had to pick your poison

which of those do you want and if you go

to the Risdon you just been theory if

the stories are true they’ll just

annihilation nothing’s nothing good

everything is destroyed so that’s kind

of the fun part about evil in D&D

it’s all bad it’s all bad but yeah but

you get you get a choice a choice right

cuz Dee Dee’s all by choice like a good

role-playing game is all about you get

to make choices you get so much II want

to do I always liked the idea this old

Irish myth the stingy Jack math you know

he tricked the devil but because he

tricked the devil he ended up being

stuck in the nether realm because one

he died he tricked the devil so he

tricked him into agreeing that he could

never go to hell but also that meant

because he made that deal he couldn’t go

to heaven so he ended up in another

realm and with nothing but turnip which

he carved and carving the turnip became

the jack-o’-lantern that’s where the

jack-o’-lantern myth comes from and so

my Kurt raver and is based on that I had

to figure out a way how do i trick

Asmodeus who has an incredible amount of

intelligence he’s incredibly smart who

has to have so many rules yeah before

you sign that contract if he’s trying to

give you a wish yeah well how would you

trick Asmodeus I wouldn’t try I wouldn’t

even try because I would try to go for

one of his lieutenants because there’s

one thing you can always do Asmodeus

loves drama he loves putting his

lieutenants against each other there is

a great old idea that if you’re the

Emperor you have all your ministers or

all your satraps whoever is managing

your empire if left to their own devices

they will all eventually turn against

you because they all want power right so

one way one way to avoid that is to turn

them against each other right that’s

exactly the game Asmodeus plays because

you think about each of the the Dukes

name of the nine they’ll have a flaw

right right he doesn’t want he wants

very skilled and powerful lieutenants

but it doesn’t want them to be too

skillful they get too good right

like many terrible managers they don’t

hire someone who’s a threat exactly

that’s husband is right so yeah if you

could give him leo he would take it he

would let him or he’d take that so

thank you so you’re just telling me

there’s no way to track that guy that’s

what’s not gonna wait to trick him right

it’s just you I mean part of the part of

his deal there’s the old I think was a

quote from World War two right the truth

so important it has to be protected with

by a bodyguard of lies right that says

what is it’s why he’s locked away in

esses it’s like he’s so for Mozart to

get to the less you know about him the

heart is free to pull one over on it

right the the greatest trick the devil

devil ever pulled was convincing people

a didn’t exist right right he wants you

to think that he’s not a threat he wants

didn’t really have kind of listened to

the myths that tell you what he’s like

cuz they’re probably wrong or he’s the

one who

bun them because above all else the less

you know of them he knows information is

power

I mean that’s why he sits down in SS and

plots and wonders and watches right you

know he’s got his he’s got the other

eight Lords oh nine it was bidding he’s

he’s very he’s very subtle he’s very

cunning

he’s very lawful so he is predictable

right and so for him to get into that

position very kidding he had to be very

cunning yeah the I think that if you

were to somehow if you were to try to

trick him you would have to move him off

like his his sort of stance right like

he’s grounded you’d have to find

something like if you could somehow del

back into his mortal life and find

something there like it would be a deep

dive because who even knows what world

he was as immortal who he was so if

there’s a primordial situation when he

was a young devil maybe or even even

immortal right yeah ever he was before

you became you know I mean you might

find something there so so maybe not

everything is for is lost because abran

is actually from first-edition well so

he’s almost from like a primordial baby

I mean you know sigil which I’m always

sure I’m pronouncing wrong you are

saying sigil correctly actually that

means the city of doors that might be

door somewhere in there yeah be guarded

by someone in the employ of Asmodeus

that would get you back to his you know

it’s it’s not only just doors through

time it’s time and space time in space

so there might be some way to get back

maybe they’re a more naive as Madiba or

maybe he has a weakness so he was

originally a mortal oh yeah almost all

of them work okay at some point or

another do we do we know how Asmodeus

came to power he has been very very

careful what hiding that so that’s

interesting yeah he does not want that

kidding I do I am kind of charmed by the

idea of like at one point these Devils

weren’t great at their jobs right like

you’re just starting out doing their

best it’s possible for Devils doing

pretty terrible things doing their worst

no that’s how all of them like you know

the the there are it’s interesting to

look at the pattern of characters

leveling up and almost everything in the

cosmos of D&D you can

level up mm-hmm you know if it has the

ambition and the drive and the

opportunity it demons the same way Orcas

this just didn’t spring into existence

and Orcas was there they fought right

now and they imposed reality on each

other that’s what demons do they impose

their reality on you and honor each and

everything because every demon will tell

you I’m the center of the universe and

to be a tragedy if I died because the

universe dies with me because I’m the

only one who exists I’m the only one who

has actually here and you can see it in

the worship you know mortals who worship

demons are essentially conceding to some

of the demons views of reality I’ll

follow the patterns reality you think we

should be following or that you think

reflect who you are because I kind of

want some of that power you’re offering

but as soon as I can I’m gonna try you

which makes chaos in some ways more

predictable than wha

because chaos an evil chaotic evil in

very really leads to betrayal well only

one of us can be though most of the

strongest eventually we’ll fight for it

and it’s almost like you know that the

scene in Thor Ragnarok when Thor is

talking it Loki like eventually Thor

realizes you’re always going to betray

me yeah every time that’s the mid back

and that’s almost lawful and it’s um

like predictability like I know you’re

going to do this thing over and over and

over again so your brand of chaos is

still order whether you know it or not

yeah you might think right like the

Joker is very consistent the Joker would

be terrifying if he was good for like

three years that would make me more on

the guard so that’s interesting so and

so Asmodeus wants to not be known he

wants oh he would take it I mean he

obviously is known it’s kind of hard to

rule the nine hells and stay anonymous I

mean he would he does need to wield his

name I mean if you are in the nine hells

and you’re you know speaking on behalf

of Asmodeus people have to listen it’s

part of the law the structure the

hierarchy but if he could be anonymous I

think he would take it he would see the

long-term benefits of that he couldn’t

work behind the scenes and put a puppet

on the throne

is there anything evil that like is

there anything he’s trying to ultimately

accomplish he there are but uh he swore

me to secrecy

so I gotta respect that I can’t I can’t

just blab just can’t get it all okay I

can’t get all the information because

then players will break the game cuz

don’t know what to do

maybe he made the pact knowing you were

gonna break it and he was counting on

that and he knew I couldn’t just give

you this thing could I be breaking law

but if we sent a contract now I can’t

give it to you and you’ve asked for

something return which I’m happy to give

you you think you’re getting one over on

me but don’t have that oh sure I’ll let

you wish that I think that in as well

like the character Aaron actually wished

to never be forgotten and then mine

flares came to his homeworld so whoops

yeah I don’t think you can never win I

think that’s the entire point you

shouldn’t be relieved it’s very

difficult to win against the night house

[Laughter]

shirt it’s very difficult all right so

that’s one of the things we look at

what’s you know and descendant of Ernest

I mean we’re filming this in July of

2019 right but when you get a chance to

play through that definitely is players

revel in the heroism make your choices

decide at the end how you want to

resolve things to keep in mind order how

shiny and happy that ending might seem

that might be what Asmodeus is planning

all along right dude that’s the trick

you can’t see the hundred-year thousand

years a thousand years you succeeding is

maybe just another pomp you understand

yeah your adventure is your entire

campaign is like only one adventure for

him that’s why morning kata would step

in and say you probably just shouldn’t

mess with it unless like just leave it

to me that’s gonna bring me to our next

topic

[Laughter]

you

 

 

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