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How to become God… or a Lich

was clear path I feel like a look I’m

gonna make God do these three things

yeah you’d have a lot of people doing it

the trick is no one is really sure how

like there are those who morning came

would tell you that’s just it’s you know

the balance is thrown off sometimes

maybe someone is elevated demigod them

to help you know keep it in line I mean

that’s how I became so powerful the

universe looked to me and found a

champion elevated me every hue Milot e

is not the stakes are so high right the

but that’s what is what makes a tricky

you know because there are I mean that

how many adventures have spent how much

how many hundreds of thousands millions

ago pieces trying to find this answer

right it’s not just simple as now a

mobile 20 and I’ll just fight some more

monsters and get the little 21 now my

demigod it’s not that simple the it is

it is not just a matter of desire and

power and ambition but time and place

and the situation of the cosmos and

you’re standing within it so demigods

obviously those who they have risen for

mortals you know this has happened and

the history of being the rock deity

cosmos but there is no reliable path is

it possible like you can reach a demigod

stats from just being around for so long

potentially and being involved in so

many events that something just got the

weave does get wrapped up in you

attention certain extent yeah and won’t

let you go yeah I’m kind of very

fascinated by that concept of a

low-level demigod like a demigod who

just can’t die its core a core concept

I’ve always enjoyed like someone who can

never be truly powerful but they didn’t

I mean someone like you know asked him

to supplant this you know the chronicler

of Krim right I mean he doesn’t show

much overt power and crackling things

but he is he knows everything he writes

the entire story you know so there’s a

there’s an example of a character who

has come afforded themselves yeah a

power because he he’s so focused yeah

almost like a philosophy clarity exactly

like your your so you so much are you

bought in to such a degree right that

you are now part of the value this is

your role this is what you do and there

are some people say he’s an aspect of

Gillian right you know the god

neutrality yeah knowledge and more

right from my Dragonlance lore but the

but again and I love characters like

that in D&D or in theory you can visit

plant this and visit this person you

know and braceland famous you know in

those the dragon chronicles does well my

absolute favorite characters of all time

very interesting character right you

know the character yeah I think it

resonates with especially with young

people right the but again a character

who also aspired to become a w on right

and not I’m not gonna spoil the story

cuz it’s great story

it’s alright story yeah you should read

those books yeah those two trilogies

they’re fantastic and it was such a

personal story yeah that’s what was made

it good that’d be the best D&D stories

of the personal stories yeah you can

talk about I mean spend a lot of time

talking about these worldly of these

godlike figures the end of the day D and

E is other people right you know and the

choices they make and so that is that

that’s an important thing when it comes

to maybe role-playing gods yeah Timmy

gods

yes showing the the personal side like

our conversation about s Modi is there

was a time he wasn’t great at it that I

find interesting like I find like the

maybe he got to this point where he knew

every trick that was going to be pulled

on him because maybe he did get fooled

we learn more from our failures and our

successes success often blinds us to

growth right our failure forces it out

you can ignore failure do so in peril

right but some people you know but if

your can fail with open eyes you learn

more about you know about yourself and

about the world but Iowa’s I always

found my sleeve all ways found Dedes who

are more like people far more

interesting to play with than just the

gods this trip oh it’s a god the god of

you know making arrows right okay like

what’s their story right to me

characters are more fun when you have

someone like Saint Cuthbert who has like

a clear point of view and you can

imagine them making mistakes right you

can imagine some of these these figures

you know like the dead three or you know

they’re very human in a way they’re

still driven by their emotion I kind of

think of the more powerful gods as being

more remote less human they’ve

essentially sublimated to another level

of existence you know they speak more in

omens and vague premonitions rather than

coming

to you because they just can’t relate

anymore you know alright they become

also a lame

whereas yeah like you said the dead

three are demigods at this point yeah

they were adventurers Justine in terms

of cosmic history very recently their

adventures seeking to become gods and if

you’re a demigod or a god that doesn’t

mean that you necessarily have divine

power in the sense of being like a

cleric and you can heal people you you

can be just a fighter who is just yeah

you could just be yeah I’m really badass

fighter the Kalinin the sword of the

lord of swords from Grayhawk was just

such an amazing swordsman that

eventually transcended mortal limits

became a demigod the master bowl blades

I find this stuff incredibly fascinating

what I found interesting is when you

take a fantasy setting and you take

these mythological concepts and again

connect them back to a human level what

would it be like to me to God and some

gods are remote what does it mean to

worship a god of the gods infallible

right and there are people it meet a lot

of them encircle who would tell you know

the gods the gods don’t give you magic

the gods are teaching you how to use

magic

the magic they use which we have

mistakenly called the vine magic called

by magic we get it from the gods but the

gods aren’t actually the ones giving it

to us they’re teaching us how to use it

but doesn’t actually come from the gods

because invariably someone will point

out clearly if you were to think of a

deity like torn right yeah it was a good

god Walt’s Hormuz clerics well you are

all the terms clerics infallibly good no

they make mistakes isn’t it possible for

a cleric of torm to turn to evil yes it

is well when then how was their power

still right where’s their can be

actually somehow good Tiamat clerics

there’s been examples of that um that’s

interesting because yet because you do

write in the players handbook I believe

you’ve released the dungeon master sky

that you can have philosophy clerics

yeah okay it’s belief you can just be so

obsessed obsessed with trickery that it

just is in your bones just like llamosa

Steiners yeah believe it’s you know how

much of it is just mysteries of us like

you know secrets that are shared as you

advance a level you get insight in the

build building blocks reality like so

it’s a that’s what I think is fun when

you add that ambiguity that we think the

sound works but we might be wrong and

that’s when faith comes in so I think if

you’re gonna talk about religion you

have to talk about faith right like the

happy

part of it right it’s just always true

and clear and become then it become

science fiction now we’re talking about

laws right science fiction is about laws

this is what happens no one can change

it fantasy is about truth which truth is

relative right right because you know

it’s embedded in emotion it’s been an

experience so it just kind of depends on

where you’re sitting and how your angle

you’re looking at something and that’s

your truth but it varies what what is

then so often the plug of well not often

but certainly a lot someone’s trying to

become a depakote someone’s trying to

become a bitch like lit stub I think

it’s very hard for to everything I I

don’t know if I’ve ever played a wizard

who didn’t inevitably want to become a

legend

well that’s what being a lich it’s why

it’s so appealing because it is a path

right you can find the right books and

find the right rituals and it has been

like wizards are the most scientifically

minded characters we have in Randy

because Wizards want to find the rules

to find them understand them and then

live by them and use them to manipulate

magic so Lich them is such a it’s

Michael knows wizardly thing imaginable

here is a path to immortality do this I

mean it’s incredibly hard

of course wizard love to do things that

are hard couldn’t like its show off and

show it but that is very much you know

and that’s why sorcerers and wizards

don’t maybe necessarily get along

because sorcerers do what Wizards do

without going to school right and you

very purposely don’t show people how to

become leeches no because again it’s

something which not every you know it’s

not just written in the pamphlet you can

go by your gonna water deep and find in

the bookshop because it’s very dangerous

knowledge right you know someone like

black staff would just not want that

getting out cuz you’re just asking for

trouble right I mean the problem isn’t

there’s so many people who could

actually do this the problem is all the

diaw who’s who don’t have the magical

skill but they’re gonna try to sacrifice

a thousand people right like roger steps

are to make that happen because they

think well of course cuz can’t we go

back to chaotic evil versus lawful evil

the chaotic evil person would just I’ll

just try it maybe I’ll become a Lynch of

course I’ll become a Lich because I’m me

and I’m I’m you know party maybe a

little bit narcissistic that’s probably

other aspect of chaotic evil is

narcissism right like I am the only one

who matters I will happily sacrifice pee

we’ll do all these awful things just as

this manuscript says buy new these steps

I’ll become a lich except I forgot the

part where I should be like a 20th level

wizard or so you know the hard parts no

I’ll get to those eventually but I

killed all the people credits so clearly

it’s the rituals fall it’s not my fault

I didn’t make any mistakes that’s that’s

caddy cable which if I can now loop

around maybe I brought you back to

myself the point of you that maybe

Asmodeus isn’t the most evil person

right because it’s kind of horrifying to

think of a cab but now the lawful person

would institutionally make it happen

which is probably even worse because if

you stop them there might still be

they’ve built something awful that will

endure that keeps trying to replicate

these this ritual to create village do

you find that very hard is a creative

because sometimes I just want to know

the answer and I think you’ve seen that

interview sometimes I just want to know

what’s going on like I wanna know why a

met and the get the inky have any kind

of deal but the the magic of anything is

not knowing like sometimes the answer is

the worst thing you can do to anything

yeah as we’ve seen with like movies with

prequels like I don’t need to know I

didn’t need to know how this character

got there I don’t want to know

necessarily completely how magic Alex

how’s it gods makes it that’s science

fiction again right you’ve explained

everything if we’re if we were building

a science fiction game we probably have

a different view right right if we

didn’t know something our goal might be

to figure it out where fantasy is

different than it seems much more it’s

driven personally in fights by my

personal sort of you know desires and

understanding am I am I I’m seeking

truth not necessarily fact right and so

I think that’s why I naturally always

gravitate into fantasy and I like

working in fantasy cuz I’m not for me

it’s less important to say to know the

facts of let’s say Asmodeus is more to

life as to understand who is he as a

person that I find interesting I don’t

necessarily need to know his full

backstory to understand what his

personality is like because you can kind

of figure it out once you know the

personality could you know maybe

something about the past you can see the

echoes you can see how they’re and once

you pour any concept like that into

concrete then you you don’t allow the DM

or the players to like play with those

like you know because that’s the thing

is he always on to leave space for the

Dungeon Master to make

right it’s like I imagined back in the

you know way back in the day right the

Greek bards going around telling stories

I’m sure all of them put their own spin

on it oh absolutely yeah you know your

audience like your arm and Crete then

this I know the King and I’m here at Sky

Dome want to that’s part my kind of

anger room it’s gonna remind him of me

something went sideways last month so

I’m gonna edit that out of it

I’m good Bard of course we’ll do that

because a good bar doesn’t want end up

as a dead bard or in prison bars or II

running out of town in front of an angry

mob bard so you’ve got to change the

story a bit but maybe if you’re a very

good bar deal think the King doesn’t

want to hear this but he needs to so let

me find a way to get the message in his

mind without him knowing it right

fantasy

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