My friend got angry with me saying I can’t use a “spell+Action Surge+Spell” because you can only cast one spell per turn

5 thoughts on “My friend got angry with me saying I can’t use a “spell+Action Surge+Spell” because you can only cast one spell per turn

  1. Bolas says:

    Why not just answer the question that was asked instead of trying to socratically lead the player? Just say you can quicken a spell/cast a bonus action spell and cast a 1 action cantrip even with Action Surge. They’re already confused, don’t make it worse.

    • Tristyn says:

      I think he was pretty clear, where is the confusion? It’s simple, only if you cast a spell as a bonus action are you limited to just one non-cantrip spell a turn. If none of your spells are casted using a bonus action, you can cast as many as you want as long as you have the actions for them

      • Peter says:

        But aren’t you wrong?
        If you cast a spell as a bonus action the only other spells you can cast that turn are cantrips with 1 action.
        So a fighter casts could
        Fireball, action surge fireball.
        But couldn’t
        Bonus action cast a spell then fireball action surge fireball.
        They could
        Bonus action spell, cantrip action surge cantrip.

        Same as how a sorcerer can’t quicken a spell to a BA and than cast another.
        The quicken spell is useful if you wanna do something else as an action or just bonus action the cantrip.

        • BW says:

          This isn’t that complicated.

          You can:
          Cast any spell that takes an action, and action surge to cast any other spell that takes an action (because action surge gives you a NEW action).

          Or you can:
          Cast a bonus action spell, cast a cantrip as an action (because of the limitation of casting a bonus action spell), and then action surge to cast any other spell that takes an action (again, because action surge gives you a NEW action).

          Quicken spell by definition makes a spell that takes an action now take a bonus action … hence why the bonus action limitation of a cantrip kicks in. Were a multi-class sorcerer to have both quicken spell and an action surge, then they could quicken spell to cast fireball (or any other spell requiring an action) as a bonus action, cast a cantrip (using their action), and then action surge to get a new action to cast fireball (or any other spell requiring an action) again.

          • Kiri says:

            “cast fireball (or any other spell requiring an action) as a bonus action, cast a cantrip (using their action), and then action surge to get a new action to cast fireball”

            RAW, no. “You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action” The rule applies to entire turn. It doesn’t matter if you get another action, it’s still during the same turn, and thus the only spells you can use it to cast are “cantrips with a casting time of 1 action” if you used your bonus action to cast a spell (quickened fireball) during that turn.

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